I Shoot Porn: You’re my 69th interview!

Janet Mason: How appropriate!

ISP: And a totally cliche way to start it off. Anyways, let’s talk about what we talked about on the way to the glory hole a few days ago. About your early swinger days.

JM: I hadn’t even started swinging yet. This was in the earliest stage — we had no idea what we were doing, except putting feelers out for guys.

ISP: When was this all going down?

JM: Pre-internet. Maybe ’91.

ISP: What was the name of the mag?

JM: Unreal People. I’m pretty sure that was it. They had two publications, actually. Real People was targeted to a more, how do I say it…vanilla sex crowd. Unreal People was all about interracial.

ISP: Unreal! In a nutshell, describe how it worked.

JM: You’d submit a photograph to the magazine. A picture. Back then it was Polaroids. If they accepted it, they’d assign a code to your ad, and if people were interested, they’d write to the magazine with your special code. Then the magazine would forward that mail to me. They’d send me a letter — with Polaroids in the envelope. And their code, so I could respond back.

ISP: That sounds like a lot of time and work.

JM: I know! We’re so spoiled now! Just go to AFF or Lifestyles Lounge. We’re still members of Lifestyles Lounge. Anyways, one day the people who ran Unreal People called Steve (Steve Mason, Janet’s husband) on the phone. They had an unusual request. That…um….someone was in town and didn’t have time to go through the regular channels to contact us.

ISP: Let’s back up for a sec before you go any further. You’re in to black guys…

JM: Yea, I found that out because the first interracial porn movie I had ever seen featured Ray Victory. Ever since watching that first IR movie, I was very intrigued by the taboo in interracial porn. It just sparked something in me. Um…I’d never seen a black man and a white woman have sex. The contrast was very erotic. Ray Victory had the biggest dick I’d ever seen, too. This was the early nineties, so I was wearing white pants (laughs) and I was so awestruck watching it…I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I’d never seen anything like that before. We hadn’t even rented that movie. Back then Adam & Eve would send out commercial mailers. We were on their mailing list, and one day Adam & Eve sends us a VHS tape with a catalog. The quality of the VHS was bad, and they didn’t show the whole movie…they wanted you to buy the good quality, full-length movie from the catalog. And that’s where we watched the Ray Vicotry scene. Anways, after watching that my pussy was so wet the white pants I was wearing were soaked…as Steve said, it wet mark was the size of a dinner plate. Which lead to our subscription to Unreal People.

ISP: Continue with your Unreal People story now, please.

JM: Anyways, the folks who ran Unreal People had a special person in town, and that special person wanted to meet us. They told Steve, “you won’t believe this, but we have Ray Victory in the office right now.”

ISP: How did you react?

JM: Bear in mind we’d never had an IR Experience before…let alone my fantasy guy. I freaked! And then I flaked. NO NO NO NO NO. Can’t do it!

ISP: You flaked on Ray Victory.

JM: I passed. I chickened out. I was too afraid to take my fantasy to reality.

ISP: Do you think that’s dangerous? Taking fantasy to reality?

JM: In our case, no. Me and my husband talked about it so much it didn’t. I was worried about that. What if I liked it so much I wouldn’t want Steve? You just don’t know, I guess, until you try it.

ISP: So how do you deal with jealousy in an open relationship?

JM: For us…we talk so much we’re always comfortable with something before we venture into it. I’m always the really hesitant one to take the lead…but once I do! (Laughs). Whoops! I just created a monster.

ISP: This is how Janet Exposed came about?

JM: Well, it started off as a foot fetish site. I would only show my feet at first.

ISP: How do your feet look?

JM: I have really sexy, petite, high-arched, soft little wrinkled soled feet.

ISP: Say that 10 times fast.

JM: Then I started with OK, I’ll show my face. But I’ll never get naked. Then one night I said, OK, now you can take pictures of me in my lingerie. And then…decided I’d get naked. I was into IR then, but I didn’t want to take any pictures of my experiences. That all changed, too. Pics…then video tape. So, someone we knew liked our content. He encouraged us to sell videos. VHS videos! We did really well, too. Mail order only. Send a money order and get a video. We’d copy tapes and ship them out. It’s always been a mom-and-pop business…to this day.

ISP: How did you get into making the porno rounds?

JM: The pro world? I was in LA for a “Foot Night Party”. It’s a party where guys come to party…and worship your feet.

ISP: That’s one thing I never got. Still don’t. Feet.

JM: It’s a huge world, and there’s so many diverse kinks within the Foot World. It’s hard to put in a nutshell. Men love to worship my feet, and I love to have them worshiped. It’s a Goddess thing, I suppose…if that makes sense. Anyways, I’m in LA for Foot Night Party and prior to getting here, someone told us about Girlfriend Films. I was just starting to explore my bi-sexual side, so I contacted the owner and set up the shoot. I had no idea what to expect, because up to that point I was in my own little world. Afterward, I had such a good experience with Girlfriends I went on. Funny thing is, I did this all backward. Most girls start in the pro world and then try to open their own site. I did the opposite.

ISP: And your site was free, initially.

JM: We loved our experiences so much we just wanted to share! It made us feel like we weren’t the only ones in the world! When the internet first started, you’d go on and think, this can’t be real. It was unbelievable. Porn stars, to me, didn’t look like they were into the sex. We were. And then, other people would write to us and say that they could tell I was into it. It’s genuine. I have sex with guys I’m really into. It’s the real deal. My site just resonated with people, and it’s nice to know that people appreciate us. I answer all my e-mail. This isn’t a corporate thing. I do what I love and love what I do.

I Shoot Porn: How long have you been in the porno game?

Tiffany Star: About two months…yea. The first thing I ever did in porn was for Penthouse. And I just did a vampire movie for them, too. I think it’s going to HBO or something.

ISP: Tell us a little about your childhood.

TS: I grew up everywhere. I’m from Toledo Ohio, but I lived in six states. I’m not really sure why I moved a lot. We were just traveling. My mom’s boyfriend was a truck driver. When I was seven, my house burnt down. My dogs were playing with some boxes under the Christmas tree, and they dragged one into the fireplace, The fire tore up the house. So we just started traveling around in his semi.

ISP: What did you want to be when you were 10 years old?

TS: I always wanted to be a singer and an actress.

ISP: High school — super fun times or sleigh ride through hell?

TS: Sleigh ride through hell. I dropped out of the 8th grade, got back in for 9th grade…and then I got expelled. I got expelled fighting a girl. It was over a guy. Stupid shit. I was young.

I Shoot Porn: Your early experiences with sex: Did you have a “crazy” sex life before you got into the business?

TS: Yes. I lost my virginity when I was 12. He was 18. It was at my house. I’m a sex addict. I’ve been having sex everyday of my life since I lost it. I fuck a lot. I’ve done it in the snow, outside, against a pole. There was steam coming off his dick when he pulled it out cause it was so cold! I’ve never done multiple guys though.

I Shoot Porn: Thongs, bikinis, or granny panties…which do you wear?

TS: I always wear thongs.

I Shoot Porn: What do you think you’ll be doing when you’re 20?

TS: Probably porn…but also singing. I want to make a demo sometime soon. I am an R&B singer.

I Shoot Porn: What’s your ideal sized wiener?

TS: Like…9″ or 10″. I like ’em big. I’ve always messed with black guys.

ISP: But is it really true black dudes have bigger dicks?

TS: I saw a white guy with a 13 incher. It was crazy. But for the most part black dudes are bigger. For the most part.

ISP: For the most part. Interesting. OK — if a penis could ejaculate anything other than semen, what would you want it to shoot out!?

TS: Hopefully something that tastes a little better…like apple juice. Jizz is nasty.

ISP: If you could have sex with any historical figure, dead or alive, who would it be? And why?

TS: Tupac. Oh my goodness he’s so fine. I wish he was still around.

ISP: Would you consider getting implants?

TS: Nope. Not for me.

ISP: What do you think you’ll be doing when you’re 30?

TS: Wow…that’s a good question. If I quit smoking, I’ll still be singing. I started smoking when I was 9 years old.

ISP: Who gave you your first pack of cigs?

TS: My sister talked me into it, and then my mom’s boyfriend went and got us cigs and beer. I went through all the early stages of drugs and alcohol…so, by the time I was 16, I was done. I grew out of it all.

ISP: You got a myspace?

TS: Yep!

ISP: So you’re about to shoot for the world famous Blacks on Blondes. How do you feel? [Note from Billy — the scene didn’t go down…which could easily be its own blog].

TS: I’m not blonde.

ISP: We don’t discriminate.

TS: Then I’m excited! It’s all good when I work with different people. I like meeting new people.

I Shoot Porn: So, from what I understand, you were running around all day yesterday with a butt plug shoved up your ass?

Chastity Lynn: Um…it was awesome. I went to Target, played tag in the parking lot…all with the plug in. I was contracting my butt to hold it in while I went about my day. Even went car shopping with my plug in!

ISP: And the purpose of this?

CL: I’m training my ass.

ISP: What for?

CL: To be an anal pro.

ISP: Define anal pro.

CL: Taking it in my ass like a pro. Taking whatever is thrown at me…and loving it. Really enjoying it. That’s key.

ISP: Do you think you’ll venture into DP Land?

CL: Probably. Yea.

ISP: Any time frame on your first anal scene?

CL: December, probably. I don’t know.

ISP: December is a ways off. Is it gonna take that long to train your poop chute?

CL: Not really. It’s just more someone coming at me to do an anal scene that’s interesting.

ISP: What about doing it for Blacks on Blondes?

CL: Cause I’d really like my first anal scene to be with Scott Lyons.

ISP: How come?

CL: Because…um…he’s my ass trainer.

ISP: How come I can’t be your ass trainer?

CL: You can train my ass. Want to train my ass? Got an enema?

ISP: We need to jump in the van and get to our gloryhole, actually…so we don’t have time. How did you get into this biz?

CL: Through Ellie Idol. I met her at this party house. I would always go there to check her out, and one night me and Ellie and this other girl all got it on one night while Ellie’s boyfriend watched…and took pictures. Supposedly those pictures are still around. Anways, for about a year after that me and Ellie would always hump each other at parties and guys would gather around and watch.

ISP: Do you like your bacon well-done and crispy…or chewy?

CL: I like it crispy. I like my food saucy.

ISP: What can’t I book for you — besides anal?

CL: I’ll won’t do anything with multiple guys.

ISP: Do you Facebook, mySpace, or Twitter?

CL: Kinda all three, but mySpace is what I’m best at keeping up on. I’m building a fan site, too.

ISP: So you plan on being in the biz for a while?

CL: Yep.

ISP: Do your folks know what kind of mad-cap hijinx you’re up to?

CL: My dad knows. My mom doesn’t. My dad found out cause Club Jenna sent a check to his house for work I did, and my dad called and wanted to know what’s up with that? He kinda freaked out, and now he’s mildly OK with it…but not really. He also was pissed cause porn work is fun, and he didn’t like it that my work is actually fun.

ISP: Were you a slut before you got into porn?

CL: Yea. I used to go to an all-girls school. Catholic. I got in some trouble there so my dad gave me a choice…no talking and goofing off at private school, or go have fun at public school. Bascially he wasn’t going to pay for me to fuck around in private school. Once in public school there were so many fresh cocks I couldn’t contain myself.

ISP: Do you ever feel that way around me?

CL: I feel like that pretty much every day of my life.

I Shoot Porn: You started your career in front of the camera at age 14.

Laci Laine: I did. Yes. With my 17-year-old boyfriend. I started watching porn when I was 11. My older brother left a VHS tape out with all the other VHS tapes in our house, and that was the first porn I ever watched. I had never really put 2 and 2 together…meaning I wasn’t really sure what sex was until I saw that tape. And I liked it, and I decided that’s what I wanted to do.

ISP: Is that how you learned to masturbate?

LL: Yep. I actually, um…they used to sell this candy in a dildo-shaped tube. I used to buy it at Hot Topic in the mall, so it probably wasn’t a coincidence that it was shaped like a dildo. I peeled the sticker off it so I could masturbate with it.

ISP: When was your sexual experience?

LL: When I was 11. I sucked my friend’s older brother’s dick. We were camping in the woods, and I sneaked into his tent to blow him. He was 15. Anyways, after I watched my brother’s porn and started masturbating, it was my mission to have sex. This was the first step.

ISP: When did you lose your virginity?

LL: When I was 12. Finally! Not many people can say I finally lost my virginity when I was 12.

ISP: Not many people would think that’s appropriate.

LL: I was ready. It was totally my idea. I lured this guy to my house so I could use him for his dick. My parents were gone, and his were, too. He was 15. I talked him into stealing his parent’s car and driving 20 minutes over to my house. Since he was 15, he didn’t have a license. I’m not as innocent as I look.

ISP: And all these early experiences made you get into porn?

LL: Yes. I was constantly stealing my brother’s porn. My parent’s probably thought I had a problem, because I was masturbating all the time. I got caught a few times. When I was 14 my boyfriend happened to have a video camera, so he set it up on a tripod and we had sex in front of the tripod. Then he picked it up and POV’d me doggystyle. Not that I knew what POV was then. I wish I still had that tape.

ISP: What happened to it?

LL: The cops confiscated it.

ISP: Please elaborate.

LL: My boyfriend was on probation for smoking weed. His PO searched his room for drugs, and my idiot boyfriend must have had it labeled, cause they took it. What a dumbass!

ISP: He didn’t get in trouble?

LL: He was 17 and the cops asked if my parents wanted to press charges. They knew we were having sex, so they declined.

ISP: You came to LA to be a porn star?

LL: Yes. I finally got the guts to go do it. I hopped on a plane with $50 to my name. I came out here with nothing. I lived with my agent. She flew me out here, housed me, fed me. I did my first scene.

ISP: Who with?

LL: My first scene was with Rico Strong. My First Big Black Cock.

ISP: What can’t I book you for?

LL: No anal.

ISP: Why?

LL: Scares me.

ISP: Poop is a scary thing.

LL: Now that I know how well porn stars clean their ass before scenes, that’s not really the issue. I’m just not used to it. I’ve only done it once in my private life, and I didn’t like it very much. I do it now with dildoes to myself to practice, and it’s starting to grow on me. But I’m still definately not ready to do anal on camera.

ISP: Got a site or anything you wanna pimp?

LL: mySpace! I Twitter, too. Follow me!

ISP: What’s in your future?

LL: I want to get my website up. I want to get some fans. I need more work, too.

ISP: I’ve got a job for you. But it doesn’t involve being in front of a camera.

LL: It doesn’t have to be in front of a camera to have fun.

I Shoot Porn: Let’s talk about a tough subject. You just got out of quarantine…which means you came directly in contact with a performer who tested positive for HIV.

Lexi Diamond: No, I didn’t. I did a scene with the guy who fucked the girl with HIV.

ISP: What went through your mind when you took that call?

LD: Well, AIM left a voice mail saying to get back to them cause it was urgent.

ISP: And you thought?

LD: I thought I had AIDS.

ISP: But they test for chlamydia and gonorrhea, too.

LD: Yea, well I panicked. It was a panic thing for me. I didn’t think they’d sound so serious if I had chlamydia or gonorrhea. I called AIM back. They talked to me very slow, very comforting, and they said I was quarantined. They told me not to panic, cause most likely I didn’t contract it. I cried a little bit, and honestly I can’t really remember much more of that conversation. I was told to come back and get tested, and that I’d get tested again after that. They told me not to have any sex with anyone.

ISP: You still got your boyfriend?

LD: Yes.

ISP: Had you slept with him?

LD: Yes. He was really good about it. He was calming me down the whole time. He was worried, but he wasn’t freaking out like I was. I was totally panicking…like, oh my God I’m gonna die of AIDS!

ISP: Up until the time you finally came back completely negative, how did this all this change your life?

LD: I was just thinking what if I have AIDS? What am I gonna do? I thought about what it would be like taking meds for the rest of my life, dealing with future sex partners, losing my porn job…and getting sick, and dying.

ISP: Did it ever occur to you — whether or not your test came back negative — to quit doing porn?

LD: Yes, of course. And I regretting getting in. How can all these other porn stars do this for years and not get HIV, and my second or third month into the biz I’m quarantined? And might have HIV!? I just tried to be calm and not to panic.

ISP: You could have just gone back to work at Jack-In-The-Box and left porn forever.

LD: I don’t want to go back to Jack-In-The-Box. How do you go from making porn money back to minimum wage?

ISP: Some people would argue that 18-year-olds don’t have any business being in porn. You should still be in school.

LD: I was in school…but I didn’t finish. I was too busy making porn.

ISP: So you didn’t even finish high school.

LD: I actually can go back. I’m still 18. I can go back this coming year.

ISP: But you won’t.

LD: I know. I’m just gonna go get my GED.

ISP: What are you expecting to get out of porn?

LD: To make money and pay bills. I don’t think I’m good enough to be a star. I’d have to get boob implants and all that stuff.

ISP: Jenna Haze didn’t have to get implants.

LD: I don’t know who that is.

ISP: I shot your first scene ever. It was a handjob. For Mano Job. I liked you so much I shot a second Mano Job, and then I brought you back for ISP: The Dick Suckers. What else have you done since then?

LD: I worked with Ron Jeremy! It wasn’t a sex scene…just acting. I really don’t remember the names of the people. I did Pure 18.

ISP: It sounds like you don’t like this anymore.

LD: Not really. I’m working to pay for college.

ISP: When I first shot you, you seemed totally into it. Did the quarantine change things?

LD: It kinda did. Not dramatically. It added to the dislike of doing this for a living.

ISP: What exactly don’t you like?

LD: Just the fact you could get AIDS…even though you look at tests. It’s scary and unpredictable.

ISP: Don’t you think your life is worth more than the money you’re making in porn?

LD: True. Yea. I’m just lazy. I could work a normal job like everyone else, but I’d rather do it the easy way and take the risk.

ISP: You might lose fans over this interview.

LD: Really? (Shrugs her shoulders). I’m not trying to get famous…I’m just trying to make money.

ISP: Think the biz should make its performers wear condoms?

LD: I think it should be law.

I Shoot Porn: Let me get this straight — your real name is Dana DeArmond.

Dana DeArmond: Yea, I didn’t expect to become…like…a porn star. It was just something to do. The thought to come up with a stage name never occurred to me. I have no reason to try and hide who I really am.

ISP: Has using your real name ever come back to haunt you?

DD: Yea, people recognize me. The Direct TV guy recognized me from my name. I’ve had people steal my mail…shit like that sometimes. It’s more like I noticed people pretend not to know who I am…which bothers me even more. It’s embarrassing to realize some person you’ve been talking to for the last three hours knows exactly what you do for a living. And I’m not really creative to figure out a fake name, either.

Gia Paloma, Make-up artist: Just use your pet’s name and the street grew up on…I mean does anyone still do that anymore?

DD: I had a gerbil named Blackie. I actually had three gerbils — Blackie, Shorty, and Jaws. I could have been any of those.

ISP: Your first scene?

DD: In February 2004 I did Hogtied. I applied for Fucking Machines, and I was hired right away to do Hogtied. I was pretty much only working for Kink and Gwen Media, doing fetish/latex/rubber stuff.

ISP: What in the world made you apply for Fucking Machines?

DD: I thought it was be cool to have sex with a robot. I was seeing the Fucking Machines content on the message boards, too. I had also seen it on HBO’s Real Sex. It just looked like fun.

ISP: Why did you get your braces?

DD: Because I was born without a bicuspid and I had to a bone graft put in…I dunno. I have a jaw problem.

Gia: So it wasn’t just to look 16?

DD: No, that was just a happy bonus. Ben Hoffman shot me last week, and he was like, “you look so young…it’s so creepy!”

Gia: How did the transition go from doing fetish stuff to sex scenes with boys?

DD: Well, Kink made Sex and Submission, so I started doing scenes. It was really no big deal. Kink let me fuck who I wanted, and I wanted to bang James Deen. They let me. I used to be picky about who I fucked on camera…now I’m Queen of the Mopes.

ISP: Ever freak out on set?

DD: Not that I care to talk about. There’s been a couple times when I told people hey, I don’t need the money. If you don’t stop fucking with me I will leave.

ISP: Tell me about The Internet’s Girlfriend.

DD: It’s my blog, where I link to all my official webites — my Facebook, my mySpace, my Twitter. Cause there’s a few fraudulent sites out there claiming to be me. Oh, and Little Dana, too. That’s my non-porn mySpace.

ISP: What would I find in your fridge right now?

DD: I have condiments. That’s about it. Lactose free milk. And…I dunno. I don’t cook. Otter Pops in my freezer.

ISP: So you’re co-hosting the Urban Spice Awards Sunday, the 26th…at Boulevard 3 in Hollywood. Why do they want a white girl to co-host?

DD: (Raises hands in the air) Black people love me! They loved my Blacks on Blondes scene! No, really…I think it’s cause I do a ton of interracial work.

ISP: Are you a black cock slut?

DD: What? Wat are you talking about? I don’t bang people in my private life. A black guy tried to pick me up at a gas station. I actually asked him if he wanted to go with me to the Urban Spice Awards. I told him I had a limo and that I do porn and everything.

ISP: Did he accept?

DD: I gave him my e-mail, but he hasn’t hit me up.

Gia: Maybe he doesn’t have a computer.

DD: Gia! That’s racist. I’m probably just going to take Bobbi Starr as my date. We’re nominated together. Best IR Star. Best IR 3 Way. Something like that. I honestly don’t care about winning awards. It’s nice just to be asked to be there. I don’t like the idea of having a competition between me and my friends.

ISP: Any way you and Bobbi can stop by my place and blow me before you go to the awards?

DD: I dunno. Bobbi might take some convincing. She’s shy.

ISP: Speaking of Bobbi…Bobbi Starr and Dana DeArmond are the highest ranked girls at Blacks On Blondes? She’s actually ranked one higher than you.

DD: Why? Cause she has long hair? Or cause she’s doing a gang bang? What kind of scene did she do?

ISP: You did a DP. She did a 4 man DP.

DD: You gave her an unfair advantage. But there’s nothing wrong with a little healthy competition between porn sisters. But…for the record, I’d love to come back and do a Blacks on Blondes scene with Bobbi.

ISP: Would you lick her ass?

DD: I’d live in there. I’d make a tent out of her bush and just live the rest of my life in her ass.

I Shoot Porn: Let’s see if I got this straight — you were the first person to shoot porn on video tape?

Roy Karch: Yes, I am. That was 1974. We were using Sony Portopacks, and they were the new invention. They came in a case, and you carried it on your shoulder. 1/2 inch, reel-to-reel, black and white video tape. So, for the first time, the consumer could actually video tape content. Cable TV had come about in 1973, and in NYC we had a channel. A designated channel that wasn’t censored — public access. It was mandated by Federal Law — they could not censor anything you gave them. So my partner and I decided to test the airwaves. If they didn’t censor us, then the airwaves belonged to the people. We did a weekly show on that channel called “The Underground Tonight Show”. We were on for three years, every Friday night, live, taking phone calls. 150 hours worth of programming was taped.

ISP: Who were some of your guests?

RK: We focused on three areas: politics, music, and sex. We had Jerry Rubin and Abbey Hoffman. We were all hippies. It was the end of the hippy era. As far as music, we had Patti Smith, Debbie Harry before she was Blondie, Screamin’ Jay Hawkins, Television, Phil Ochs. As for sex, we had Marilyn Chambers, Betty Dodson, Tina Russell, Mark Stevens (Mr. 10 1/2), and Al Goldstein.

ISP: What do you remember about Tom Verlaine?

RK. Not much. We were taping the shows back then at Richie Haven’s place, Cafe Wha? Television was playing CBGB’s a lot then. They just came in, did their song, and left. I really didn’t hang with them.

ISP: This all sounds to me like you were doing Al Goldstein before Al Goldstein was doing Al Goldstein.

RK: (laughs) Al said, “one day I’m gonna have a show like this…but it will be in color.” Anyways, Marilyn Chambers did a segment for us called “Dial-A-Poz” (as in pose). The models would take call-in requests and pose however the caller wanted. For example, a guy named Tom might have called in from the Upper West side and asked, “Hey Marilyn, would you stick your fingers up your ass?” And then she’d say, “sure!” and do it. Right on TV. This was sex coming straight into your living room.

ISP: And it predates Web Cams by some 30 years — give or take.

RK: Exactly. This was 1975. But in ’74 we hit the ceiling. That year we had a Supreme Court decision in our favor. Here’s what happened: We had Betty Dodson on the show, and she brought 5 women with her, and they brought dildos and vibrators, and they were all masturbating on TV. That’s when the cable company pulled the plug on us. We literally went black. And we didn’t know til the next morning, when it was a NY Times headline. Remember — this is public access, and they weren’t allowed to censor us…so we went to the FCC. The FCC went to the Supreme Court on our behalf. The Court upheld their original ruling that public access is, indeed, uncensored. Then we went back on…and that is the very beginning of X-Rated content on cable. My ruling was paved the way for adult content on cable television.

ISP: And before all that, you were male talent?

RK: Yea, while I was a gym teacher. My girlfriend was a dental assistant, and she came home with an ad from the NY Post: “Couples needed for risque photographs.” We answered the ad and were told to come on down to a little basement on 14th Street in Manhattan. There was a man with a camera who told us he’d be shooting 8mm film on his little Brownie without sound. He then told us it wouldn’t be still photos but film…and would we still be interested? Pay was $700 for the couple. This is 1970. This is when rent was $75 a month. He also made a point of telling us it was illegal.

ISP: Which is what most people don’t realize. Shooting porn then was a felony…and, in fact, it still is — except for California and New Hampshire.

RK: It was illegal anywhere up til ’88. Which meant, shooting porn in LA, in the 80’s, we would meet at Ralph’s supermarket. All the talent, all the crew. Like 6.30 AM all the cars would pull in. From there we’d get into two vans and drive off. The only person who knew where we were going was me. Cause I booked the location and talent and crew. This had to be secret because it was illegal. We would then drive to a different parking lot and get into one bigger van. And then we would drive outside of LA County — my favorite spot was Palm Springs. Herschel Savage made these trips with me. Peter North, Chuck Martino, Erica Boyer, Patty Petite, Sharon Mitchell…they all made that trip. In the final van we’d drive to a house I had rented for the weekend and shoot the entire weekend. No phones. No cell phones. No one could call out or in. No one was contactable. As the tapes were shot, we hid them…in case the cops busted in. At the end of the weekend I’d drop everyone off at their car at Ralph’s.

ISP: Did you ever bang Christy Canyon?

RK: No comment.

ISP: Ever bang Ginger Lynn?

RK: No comment. But let me say something…they talk about this on Playboy Radio. Night Calls…I think that’s what the show is called. Much like my old show.

ISP: Tell me something about John Holmes no one knows.

RK: In 1979 I was production managers for Dracula Sucks. This was Seka’s first feature. Shot in 35mm, Panavision. John Holmes, John Leslie, Paul Thomas, Anette Haven, Kate Parker…Lisa DeLieuw. Everyone in the business was in this movie. So, one night, early in the morning, I was roaming around making the rounds. In the kitchen, John Holmes was cooking stew. He said, “we’re gonna have a great lunch tomorrow!” So, as he’s cooking stew, they were rolling an anal scene, people were sleeping — we’d shoot 24/7 working around the clock — and John Holmes was cooking stew. He was a great guy.

ISP: How was his stew?

RK: We all loved it. John Holmes made great stew.

ISP: Where is this business going?

RK: The business will always follow the money, and the money is on the internet. At least it is right now. There are so many platforms now that need content, that if you’re creative and ambitious, it’s a whole new world for pornographers. See…some of us are pornographers. Some are filmmakers. Some are entrepreneurs…but pornographers just wanna make good porn.

I Shoot Porn: Other than The Minion, you’re the only dude I’ve interviewed on this blog. Doncha feel special?

Herschel Savage: Yea, but get this. I just got paid — and was sent first class — to Vegas, celebrating the 30 year anniversary of Debbie Does Dallas. I was the lead male talent in that movie. I also helped coordinate a lot of the locations. But I never got to fuck Bambi Woods…only one actor did, at the end of the movie.

ISP: Damn…trumped again. When did you shoot your first scene, and who was it for?

HS: I don’t remember who my costar was…I remember her face. I shot it for Ted Snyder in March of ’76. It was a loop. Pretty big crew. Years later he was murdered in LA over a drug deal.

ISP: When you showed up on set, were there a bunch of mobsters lurking around? And what kinds of places were they shooting smut back then?

HS: I didn’t notice any mobsters. There were quite a few people there. I was too nervous to worry about mobsters. I didn’t know how I was going to even perform. I come from a very conservative background. I wasn’t one to walk around naked. And the whole atmosphere in the NYC porn scene was skeevy. Dark. Forbidden.

ISP: Ever fear for your well-being?

HS: There were some uncomfortable situations. Sets in seedy lofts. I remember this one Czech dude I worked for just reeked of sleaze. A real scumbag. Doberman Pinscheres on chains in his loft, barking. The kind of situations where normal people couldn’t get an erection…but I never had that problem.

ISP: You shooting primarily in New York?

HS: Yea…up till about ’79.

ISP: How did the talent show up? All hung over from Studio 54? Did the girls bring douches? Condoms? Enemas?

HS: First off, there was almost no anal scenes produced at that time. I mean the cleanliness factor wasn’t there like it is today, but we weren’t worried about HIV/AIDES, either. We didn’t really even have lube then. In fact, the lube of choice for male performers then was Albolene make-up remover. It almost looks like Vaseline, but not as heavy. Washed off with water. Good stuff. Got the job done.

ISP: Did you go to a theater to see Deep Throat?

HS: I didn’t. I remember walking on the street in Manhattan and seeing couples lined up around the block to see that movie. First time in the history of porn. Men in suits! It got a lot of publicity cause of Watergate…you know, “Deep Throat”. Same reason why Debbie Does Dallas did so well…the real Dallas cheerleaders has just broke out and were becoming a hugely popular.

ISP: No Viagra on set meant…

HS: In the old days? No stimulants to help you get hard. That’s why there were only a handful of guys in the biz. I mean maybe 20 or 30 total, nationwide. That was it. Today the guys in their 20’s are taking Viagra. I mean if you can’t get it hard with a hot girl when you’re in your 20’s, what’s wrong with you? Before Viagra, these guys wouldn’t gotten 3 shots and then they woulda been out. Even then there were a lot of guys trying to get in, but they failed all the time. When the camera starts rolling, there’s pressure. I never felt it.

ISP: Tell me something about John Holmes no one already knows.

HS: I don’t think I can…well, OK. The last big feature he did — Nasty Nurses — I was the male lead, and they rented out a former medical facility. Like an old hospital they fixed up to shoot the movie. When it was time to find John, he was nowhere to be found. It took us three hours, and when they found him, he was holed up in a closet smoking coke. It was the drug of choice in 1983.

ISP: I’m assuming getting into the biz in 1976 was all word-of-mouth?

HS: For me, I was dating a girl and I was looking for work, and she said to me, “you know, you should talk to my girlfriend’s boyfriend.” It turned out to be R. Bolla. He turned me on to a theatrical agent in Manhattan who did mainstream bookings, but on the side she booked for porn flicks.

ISP: Ever go to CBGB’s after a scene and catch The Ramones? Or Television?

HS: I probably went a couple times. But I was never into the Studio 54 crowd. Unless I was assured of getting in, I wasn’t standing in any fucking line to be approved to get into a club. From the Mamas and the Popas to the Stones to the Moody Blues, I listened to the great groups. But I was never really into the punk thing.

ISP: Other than getting laid, why did you get into the biz?

HS: I needed money. I kept getting involved with girls, but I wasn’t really a confident guy, but I wanted to find hotter girls and money. Non-committal sex. I was a Buddist then, as I am now. So I’d chant “Nam myoho renge kyo” and hope for the best. The idea, of course, is to be a happy person. Can’t blame anyone else for your misfortune.

ISP: Ever bang Marilyn Chambers?

HS: Yea. First time I fucked her was on Up and Coming…I’m pretty sure. She was a country singer, and I was a last-minute replacement. The other guy was fucked up on drugs. I played her manager. We shot in two cities — SF and LA. The SF location is in Tiburon, very wealthy neighborhood. This home was unreal. I walk in and Marilyn is just giving orders. “THIS LIGHT IS WRONG! THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED!” So she goes on and on and finally I tell her to shut the fuck up. The room gets quiet, and everyone’s looking at her, and she just burst out laughing. I said it in a nice way, of course. Turned out to be a hot scene.

ISP: Traci Lords?

HS: Yes. Early. No one knew she was 15. Not that she looked old, but no matter what she says now, she was into it. HOT. She was being interviewed right before our first scene, and the interviewer asked her, “So you’re working with Herschel Savage…how do you feel?” and she thought I was hot. Which is always good. So it was an amazing scene. To this day I have people calling me a lucky fucker over that scene.

ISP: Savannah?

HS: I was out of the business when she was in, but I know her story.

ISP: Jenna Jameson?

HS: I did not fuck her. I acted in a few big Wicked productions, but I did not get a chance to work with her. I probably didn’t make the grade for her.

ISP: In general, why do you think most guys get into the porn biz?

HS: I think initially they’re obsessed with porn, or they want fame and recognition. They have no dreams of any other kind. For many guys, they think I’ve got the greatest job in the world. But in reality, it’s the greatest part-time job in the world.

ISP: What is the difference between the young dudes just getting into the biz and the older cats that have been in the game?

HS: There’s so many now…I guess if I was forced to generalize I’d say there’s a lot of dopes. A lot of the guys from my generation had strong personalities. They were the kind of guys you didn’t dismiss right away. And there were only a few of us. There just weren’t that many, you know? I mean when you’re chosen to fuck Anette Haven in her prime, that’s kinda special. Or to be on Marilyn Chamber’s approved list…or Annete’s list…that meant work. I never fucked up, either…except a few times when I went on a coke binge.

ISP: The best pussy you ever nailed on set?

HS: So hard to say. So many…

ISP: The craziest girl you ever worked with?

HS: They’re all fucking crazy. No one’s gonna remember Renee Summers. This is like early 80’s. Oh wait…Lysa Thatcher. She’s now living with the Mitchell Brother who’s still alive. Sexy girl, snaggle front tooth. Sexy. Can’t forget her. Crazy.

ISP: Over the last 50 years, porn’s gone from Stag Nights at the Lion’s Club and Nudist magazines, to dirty theaters, to VHS, to DVD…to the internet and iPods and cell phones. What’s next?

HS: Um…well, I always think of the movie Brain Storm. Natalie Woods’ last film. Virtual reality taken to a sexual level…you can actually feel the pussy….but then human productivity would probably come to an end.

I Shoot Porn: So your therapist says you’re a sex addict?

Missy Woods: (laughs) Um, yes. I was diagnosed as having a sexual addiction associated with being bipolar.

ISP: Well, then you’re in the right job. Almost every girl I’ve ever met in this biz is bipolar.

MW: Really? Um, well, it’s really common during a manic phase to experience hyper-sexuality. I didn’t know I was bipolar for a long time. I was depressed a lot. I would go shopping even when I didn’t have any money. Lock myself in a dark corner and cry. And we never knew what was wrong with me.

ISP: I don’t care about that…I wanna hear about the hyper sexuality. Discuss!

MW: Well, basically, I would go out to bars and pick up guys to satisfy my needs.

Here’s when Jack Napier chimes in:

Jack Napier: I want to know the most depraved thing you’ve ever done. As long as it doesn’t have anything to do with children or animals.

MW: I will say my chihuahuas like to eat my panties. They’re lesbians. OK…I moved to a town where I didn’t know anyone, and I sat in my house naked masturbating 48 hours masturbating. I’m not exaggerating. It cost me my job. My parents called to make sure I wasn’t dead, and I wasn’t answering the phone.

ISP: What town was this?

MW: Midland-Odessa. West Texas oil fields. Smells like shit. That’s where I’m from.

ISP: What was your stimulus over those 2 days.

MW: Internet porn. HBO. I was watching Real Sex and soft core shit they show. On the internet I was watching a lot of spanking videos. BDSM stuff. My favorite sites are all the Kink.com sites.

ISP: So you’re in the right place — Porno Valley. What did you do before?

MW: I’m an office manager. An executive assistant. I make nothing.

ISP: Is that why you’re in porn? For the money?

MW: I got into porn cause I like the money. It’s just convenient that they pay me. Otherwise it was like when I didn’t show up to work cause I was masturbating. Now, I get to masturbate while I”m working!

Here’s when The Minion chimes in:

The Minion: When would you break from beating off?

MW: When I ran out of booze. I have a question for The Minion…did you like sucking on my titties?

ISP: Did you suck on her tits?

TM: Yea, she had some sugar on them I needed to get it off. Let me ask Missy — if the pizza delivery guy appeared out of thin air, would you have fucked him?

MW: Don’t think I didn’t try that.

Here’s when Jack Napier chimes in:

JN: I know you’re into interracial sex…but what’s your preference? I mean color preference, size preference. I want to know it all.

MW: Um, here’s the thing. I’ve never had interracial sex.

ISP: Then how did Jack know you were into IR?

JN: It’s on her dance card. So is just about everything else.

MW: Yes. Blacks guys are on my ToDo List. In the middle of Texas, things are segregated. It really is. There’s only so many bars in town.

ISP: Are any of them Black Only?

MW: No. But there’s not that many black guys that go to bars. It’s all cowboys.

ISP: Do cowboys fuck well?

MW: NO! And you can capitalize “no”! They’re all drunk, so they’re limp noodles. Cause that’s all there is to do — drink and fuck. And the big problem is they drink first.

ISP: How did you like shooting your very first scene for the world famous Manojob.com?

MW: It was so fun! I was a little nervous, cause I didn’t want to do something embarrassing. Everyone was so nice to me! They all wanted to play with me, and I got to play with them! And drink some cum!

TM: Would you be up to an impromptu gang bang with the four of us?

MW: There’s only three of you.

TM: Jack Napier’s dick counts for two.

MW: I totally would. Is that what we’re gonna do right now?

ISP: Right after we plug your mySpace and website!

MW: Grab the baby wipes!

JN: Baby wipes and magic water!

ISP: What’s the magic water?

JN: Lube.

TM: I thought it was St. John’s Wort.

I Shoot Porn: You just sucked and fucked 9 well-hung African-Americans for a yet-to-be-named, top-secret site for the interracial porno geniuses who produce Blacks on Blondes. And this is only your 5th scene. How do you feel right now?

Melanie Monroe: I feel accomplished. (Laughs). My eyes are burning a bit, but it’s very pleasurable to get fucked while you’re sucking. My ass hurts, too. I think when I told them not to hit it hard, they thought I meant fucking, but I meant the spanking. The fucking could have been harder.

ISP: What did you do before porno? Cause you’re 32, so you’ve got a past.

MM: I was a retail manager for a clothing line.

ISP: What happened to that gig?

MM: I got tired of it, so I moved to Miami. I had a job waiting for me in Miami. It was a part-time job, but Miami turned me wild. It turned me out!

ISP: Explain.

MM: I met a lot of wild people. I went to a lot of crazy parties. I met some bikini models, and one of them talked me into being an extra on a porn set, and before you knew it I was in porn!

ISP: What was your first scene?

MM: MILF Hunter. It was great. I was really nervous at first. I didn’t even know what a “pick-up” was. We ended up at Home Depot, where he helped me load teak wood into the back of my car. I was nervous about the pick-up…the acting…but the fucking I had no problem with. I was ready for that.

ISP: Any preconceived notions about what happens on a porno set?

MM: I though there was a lot more fucking than there really is. I thought I was gonna be fucked fucked fucked. There’s a lot of breaks! And I didn’t realize there were so many pictures that needed to be taken. I had neck pain for two days after I show for Ass Parade…looking over my shoulder while they shot my ass.

ISP: How big is your ass?

MM: I have no idea. That’s a good question! It’s really big. It turns me on when I turn men on while I giggle it.

ISP: Do you giggle for strangers?

MM: In a club while I’m dancing, yea. I do a lot of simulated-sex while I dance. I’m a big tease!

ISP: What specifically is it about the act of teasing that pushes your button?

MM: I had a boyfriend for 12 years, and I was faithful. That’s all I could do. When I got tired of him it turned me on to tease his friends.

ISP: Ever rub one out while thinking about teasing his friends?

MM: Yea!

ISP: What do you want to take away from this crazy biz?

MM: I’m doing it cause it’s fun. It kinda turns me on, too. I don’t get much action in my real life, and now I get fucked every day.

ISP: You’re not the first girl who’s told me that. I think a lot of girls get to act out fantasies in a safe environment on a porn set.

MM: Yea, who else would do more than 2 guys and feel safe and have fun? In the normal world that would be scary. Plus, I don’t really date that much in my normal life. I don’t get much action. With this job, I get lots of action…and a paycheck! And I love the attention, too! I didn’t get that when I weighed 225. I lost 87 pounds five years ago.

ISP: How do you think you got to a Deuce and a Q?

MM: My boyfriend wasn’t around much, so, instead of cheating I was eating and touching myself.

ISP: What was the #1 item in your fridge back then?

MM: Pizza. I would order pizza 5 times a week. The whole pizza. I can’t even eat pizza now.

ISP: Would you have ever done BBW porn?

MM: Hell no!

ISP: So do you think that there’s any correlation to you getting fucked on film and your weight loss?

MM: Yea, it’s kinda like when a girl gets new tits. She gets a litttle wilder…she shows her boobs and flashes people. It’s like that for me now. I got a new body and now I get wilder and I don’t have any problem getting naked now!

ISP: So what’s in your fridge now?

MM: Fresh spinach. Grilled chicken. A big pack of bottled water. It looks like a garden in my fridge now.

ISP: And you say you’re not really dating much?

MM: No.

ISP: Wanna hand over your phone number?

MM: You’re the hottest porn director I’ve ever seen. You made me nervous when I first got here cause you’re good looking. You’re turning red, too.

ISP: I’ll make sure to add a couple hundred bucks to your check for that. I’m flattered.

MM: I was hoping you were male talent when I first met you today.

ISP: Um…I can be male talent.

MM: Would you create a new website so we can do it? We can be a couple and cruise the streets of LA picking up hot bitches. Then we’ll talk them into doing porn. That’ll be a great site.

ISP: I dunno. You think people will pay to see my smokin’ six incher?

MM: Yes…cause you’re so handsome. With your pretty eyes! I’m making you turn red! This is awesome.

ISP: Um…I’m speechless. I think we’re done. Oh…you gotta mySpace? Fans love that shit.

MM: I sure do.

ISP: So I got a shot with you is what you’re saying?

MM: You’ve got a girlfriend. How long have you had that problem?

ISP: Not so long that I can’t shake it.

MM: Call me when you get tired of her. When you’re ready to have fun! Just bring Maggie, too. Promise?

ISP: Um…I’m speechless. I think we’re done.